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FfNJGTFO 03-15-2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RKP (Post 174032)
I'm the same way^^ although just recently I finally came across a Mossberg 590 that's been damn near impossible to find due to the 'whole crap thing', a good friend found one and I jumped on it.


Regular or Shockwave? :)

Caleb 03-15-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174029)
For cheaper pricing?



I dunno. I've always felt the need to get NIB stuff. I've been reluctant to buy "used" because, just my luck," I'll get one that was used in a Federal bank robbery where three LEOs were killed with it. :mad: I know, I have the ability to vet the weapon and check the serial #, but I'd still be a little concerned. Besides, half the fun is breaking in a new piece and fixing the kinks in it. More expensive? Yes. But a price I'm willing to pay.


That, and I'm also concerned that they actually *might* get some Anti-2A stuff passed. I want to ensure I have all my "acquisitions" complete before any of that happens.


There will be a ton of guns for sale at cheap prices once everyone feels “safe” again.

I always require a bill of sale with DL # or a CCL when buying used. I don’t buy used from dealers as they ask way too much.


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RKP 03-15-2021 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174033)
Regular or Shockwave? :)


590 A1 w/black furniture, heat shield, ghost ring sites, metal trigger guard/safety switch & the bayonet lug.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV1HvMza4Vo

BlackKnight 03-15-2021 09:35 PM

When I buy used it's from people I know or where I can personally inspect the items. Picked up many good pieces that way. In one instance three from an estate sale.

Caleb 03-16-2021 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RKP (Post 174035)
590 A1 w/black furniture, heat shield, ghost ring sites, metal trigger guard/safety switch & the bayonet lug.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV1HvMza4Vo


Excellent scatter gun.


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FfNJGTFO 03-16-2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackKnight (Post 174036)
When I buy used it's from people I know or where I can personally inspect the items. Picked up many good pieces that way. In one instance three from an estate sale.


I'm not totally ruling it out... after all, it's how I'm going to have to do any NFAs I expect to acquire. But I'll be careful.

FfNJGTFO 03-24-2021 12:57 PM

Quick Question. I'm cleaning up my Watch list on GB, now that most of my activity on there is pretty much done... (until the next time)... :D


I had this one item on my watch list that I was curious as to whether or not I needed it. It's described as an "Accuwedge Tension Pin" for AR-15 Receivers.


https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/891513...x872140571.jpg


Supposedly, it helps tighten up the upper and lower receivers by applying spring tension to each. I guess it takes the place of the rear pin.



Necessary? I don't have any "looseness" issues with my 1st build. But it seemed interesting enough to put on my watch list.





Thanks!

Caleb 03-24-2021 04:38 PM

Nope, not needed. If you have a sloppy fit then just get one of those “wedges” that sits in the lower. Adds enough tension to stop the rattle.


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FfNJGTFO 03-28-2021 10:43 PM

Another quick question. I'm doing my best to stock up on some ammo in order to go do my test firings of my built AR, and some check out / break in firings of my other newly acquired items. It's hard, and I may have to pay going rate for a small bit of it (only enough to do the check outs) and, after that, I hold out for much lower prices.


I have an opportunity to pick up some Federal XM855 Green tip at a very reasonable price (too reasonable if you ask me), but it comes in 10 round clips (i.e. stripped on). Would I be able to remove the rounds from the clip and just load them into a magazine or will they only work on their clips? If I can do that, then it would be well worth the effort for the price I'm paying.


https://www.raniersec.com/wp-content...pg-570x467.jpg

BlackKnight 03-29-2021 10:59 AM

Yes, you may. It actually makes it easier if you know how and have the second part to the stripper clips that goes on the magazines. It's meant to load 10 rounds at a time into the magazines.

FfNJGTFO 03-29-2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackKnight (Post 174117)
Yes, you may. It actually makes it easier if you know how and have the second part to the stripper clips that goes on the magazines. It's meant to load 10 rounds at a time into the magazines.


Thanks! I'll have to look into one of those "Stripper Loaders." :)

Caleb 03-29-2021 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174118)
Thanks! I'll have to look into one of those "Stripper Loaders." :)


That’s called a limousine.


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BlackKnight 03-29-2021 01:35 PM

Here's a quick video on how they're supposed to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2sADy2iVw

Pawpaw 03-29-2021 10:54 PM

According to Sportsmans Outdoor >LINK

it comes with a stripper clip guide (also called a "spoon" by GIs). You just clip the spoon onto your mag & slip the stripper clip into the spoon. Then you just push on the top round and all 10 slide into the mag.

Be careful not to slide your thumb down the stripper clip. It can cut.

FfNJGTFO 04-02-2021 05:13 PM

Another Update: Unfortunately, the deal for the TAC-OPS Delta-51 LR rifle fell through. Simply enough, the TAC-OPS guy refused to quote me the full price for the weapon in writing. He always wanted me to contact him "by phone" to conduct all the price negotiations and, each time I did, the price went up another $1000.00. First time I called it was (roughly)$6000.00. At the next call, it was $7200.00. And he would never put in writing what that price covered (i.e weapon itself, options, optics, shipping, etc.). For all I know, I could fork over all that cash only to have him say (before final delivery), "Sorry.... it will cost another $3000.00..." And then where would I be?



I killed the deal. Too many red flags. :mad: So, now I'm looking at some other "stock built" LR rifles. Much less expensive (i.e. in the $1-2K range) and readily available. I see items from such brands as "Savage Arms," "Tikka," "HS Precision" and others. I'd appreciate your thoughts on which brands you'd recommend. I'm also seeing a caliber with which I'm not familiar (260 Remington). Is that a recommended caliber?


Thanks all! "When one door closes, another opens."

Caleb 04-02-2021 08:34 PM

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Good choice in bailing on that cluster.

What max range are you looking at shooting?

I have one of my LR rifles for sale in the classifieds. It’ll shoot out to 900yds and hit with >10mph crosswinds if you do your part.


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DrHenley 04-03-2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174150)
I'm also seeing a caliber with which I'm not familiar (260 Remington). Is that a recommended caliber?

Nothing inherently wrong with the 260 Remmy cartridge itself, but Remington screwed the pooch with the rifles they chambered for it when it first came out. The problem comes when you put it in a short action rifle and then don't have enough magazine length to seat it out enough for heavier bullets that you need for LR. So Remington optimized the rifles for 120 grain bullets...which kinda defeated the whole purpose of the cartridge.

With standard short action magazines you would need to seat the base of a heavy bullet DEEP into the case, reducing powder capacity. The Creedmoor solves this by using a shorter case leaving more room in a short action magazine for the bullet, and then raising the max pressure to allow the same performance as the 260 Remmy in a shorter case. The 6.5 Lapua takes it one step farther by shortening the case even more and using an even higher max pressure (blown primers are common in the Lapua).

In a single shot rifle you have no such limitations. I know of LR target shooters that love the 260 Remmy, but then they have single shot target rifles.

I had a single shot falling block chambered for it at one time, but the barrel was too light leading to rapid heat buildup in the barrel. Again, not the fault of the cartridge itself.

FfNJGTFO 04-03-2021 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 174154)
Nothing inherently wrong with the 260 Remmy cartridge itself, but Remington screwed the pooch with the rifles they chambered for it when it first came out. The problem comes when you put it in a short action rifle and then don't have enough magazine length to seat it out enough for heavier bullets that you need for LR. So Remington optimized the rifles for 120 grain bullets...which kinda defeated the whole purpose of the cartridge.

With standard short action magazines you would need to seat the base of a heavy bullet DEEP into the case, reducing powder capacity. The Creedmoor solves this by using a shorter case leaving more room in a short action magazine for the bullet, and then raising the max pressure to allow the same performance as the 260 Remmy in a shorter case. The 6.5 Lapua takes it one step farther by shortening the case even more and using an even higher max pressure (blown primers are common in the Lapua).

In a single shot rifle you have no such limitations. I know of LR target shooters that love the 260 Remmy, but then they have single shot target rifles.

I had a single shot falling block chambered for it at one time, but the barrel was too light leading to rapid heat buildup in the barrel. Again, not the fault of the cartridge itself.


OK Thanks! I'll most likely stick with .308 Winchester. There are some good deals on those. Is Savage Arms a good manufacturer? I see some good choices for those. Also, how about Tikka?

FfNJGTFO 04-03-2021 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174153)
Good choice in bailing on that cluster.

What max range are you looking at shooting?

I have one of my LR rifles for sale in the classifieds. It’ll shoot out to 900yds and hit with >10mph crosswinds if you do your part.


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I was looking at 1000 yds, max. I am checking the list items I see for effective range, but few disclose that. I have to cross check against the manufacturer's specs for the rifle.

DrHenley 04-03-2021 11:30 AM

1000 is possible with a 308 but only with certain bullets. I think the big thing now is what ammo or reloading bullets can you find?

Here are a couple of loads available at Midway that will do 1000 yards easily with very low drag bullets. But you will have to try different loads to see which one the rifle likes, and at the moment, there isn't much available, either loaded ammo or component bullets.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/953728886

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/102335492

FfNJGTFO 04-03-2021 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 174157)
1000 is possible with a 308 but only with certain bullets. I think the big thing now is what ammo or reloading bullets can you find?

Here are a couple of loads available at Midway that will do 1000 yards easily with very low drag bullets. But you will have to try different loads to see which one the rifle likes, and at the moment, there isn't much available, either loaded ammo or component bullets.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/953728886

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/102335492


I was thinking "Lapua .308 BTFMJ" I know most people prefer their .338 magnum, but they do make a decent .308 win.

DrHenley 04-03-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174158)
I was thinking "Lapua .308 BTFMJ" I know most people prefer their .338 magnum, but they do make a decent .308 win.

If you can find it...

FfNJGTFO 04-03-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 174159)
If you can find it...


True... Maybe we can coax them into building a factory here in the US (to avoid any/all pending import restrictions)...

Caleb 04-03-2021 04:51 PM

Both Savage and Tikka make good rifles. Don’t count out Howa and Beragara. The best bang for your buck out of the box is the Ruger Precision Rifle, IMHO


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FfNJGTFO 04-03-2021 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174161)
Both Savage and Tikka make good rifles. Don’t count out Howa and Beragara. The best bang for your buck out of the box is the Ruger Precision Rifle, IMHO


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Thanks. I put some of the Ruger Precisions on the watch list. I see several for .308 Win and I even see a .338 Lapua Magnum as well (but much higher price $2.5K).



I've been doing some cleaning of my "security closet" (I have a digital combo lock on the door latch) in order to make room for all the new ammo I hope to acquire when pricing drops. I still have a bunch of old C & R items from my Uncle's collection. Surprisingly, I believe some of them are still in working order, all be they not in the "prettiest" condition. I can get those cleaned up and smithed whenever I choose.



It's ironic I asked about Savage Arms, because one of those C & R pieces that still seems in working order is a Savage 12G SxS double barrel. I also have a Remington Model II Semi Auto 12G as well. Will be interesting to see if these still work.

Caleb 04-03-2021 06:42 PM

What else you got that’s C&R?


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FfNJGTFO 04-06-2021 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174164)
What else you got that’s C&R?


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Sorry... was kinda busy... but to answer the question.


1) Hand guns - Take a look at this thread I started 5 years ago. I have them all still except the SW Model 15 snubbie.



2) Long Guns -


  1. Ithaca 12G SxS Double Barrel;
  2. Remington 12G Model II Semi-Auto (I think it's 5+1);
  3. Savage Arms .22 x .410 UL rifle (one barrel each);
  4. Mossberg .22LR Bolt action Rifle with a magazine weld;
  5. "Un-named" .22 LR single shot bolt action rifle (with pull safety tab).
I intend to have them all cleaned and refurbished, eventually. Some of them are, actually, capable of firing at present, but I want them restored before I try.

Caleb 04-07-2021 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174192)
Sorry... was kinda busy... but to answer the question.


1) Hand guns - Take a look at this thread I started 5 years ago. I have them all still except the SW Model 15 snubbie.



2) Long Guns -


  1. Ithaca 12G SxS Double Barrel;
  2. Remington 12G Model II Semi-Auto (I think it's 5+1);
  3. Savage Arms .22 x .410 UL rifle (one barrel each);
  4. Mossberg .22LR Bolt action Rifle with a magazine weld;
  5. "Un-named" .22 LR single shot bolt action rifle (with pull safety tab).
I intend to have them all cleaned and refurbished, eventually. Some of them are, actually, capable of firing at present, but I want them restored before I try.


Nice! I remember now, it’s been a while. Do you know AFJuvat? I’m sure he would be glad to work on those for ya.


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FfNJGTFO 04-07-2021 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174193)
Nice! I remember now, it’s been a while. Do you know AFJuvat? I’m sure he would be glad to work on those for ya.


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I do, indeed! He was the C & R FFL I used to come get the weapons from my Aunt's house. I will also have him restore some of them as well.

Caleb 04-08-2021 07:01 AM

Perfect. Gotta keep that history around a bit longer.


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FfNJGTFO 04-08-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DrHenley (Post 174154)
Nothing inherently wrong with the 260 Remmy cartridge itself, but Remington screwed the pooch with the rifles they chambered for it when it first came out. The problem comes when you put it in a short action rifle and then don't have enough magazine length to seat it out enough for heavier bullets that you need for LR. So Remington optimized the rifles for 120 grain bullets...which kinda defeated the whole purpose of the cartridge.

With standard short action magazines you would need to seat the base of a heavy bullet DEEP into the case, reducing powder capacity. The Creedmoor solves this by using a shorter case leaving more room in a short action magazine for the bullet, and then raising the max pressure to allow the same performance as the 260 Remmy in a shorter case. The 6.5 Lapua takes it one step farther by shortening the case even more and using an even higher max pressure (blown primers are common in the Lapua).

In a single shot rifle you have no such limitations. I know of LR target shooters that love the 260 Remmy, but then they have single shot target rifles.

I had a single shot falling block chambered for it at one time, but the barrel was too light leading to rapid heat buildup in the barrel. Again, not the fault of the cartridge itself.


Thanks much! What about "6.5 Creedmoor?" I understand it's a direct competitor to .338 Lapua Magnum. But I'm also finding a bunch of LR Rifles available and "in stock" for 6.5 Creedmoor... not necessarily the same weapon in .308 Win, which is what I'd like to get.

RKP 04-08-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174196)
.... What about "6.5 Creedmoor?" ....


https://ruger.com/products/precision...ets/18029.html

FfNJGTFO 04-11-2021 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174161)
Both Savage and Tikka make good rifles. Don’t count out Howa and Beragara. The best bang for your buck out of the box is the Ruger Precision Rifle, IMHO


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And that's precisely on what I've settled. The RPR in .308 Win. I should acquire it within the next month or two. I'm a little busy scoring some ammo to do my test/check firings of my new inventory.


But a question... how much should I "pimp my RPR?" :D That is, what accessories are good to add and which aren't worth the trouble? I'm considering:



  1. Timeny 2 Stage Trigger group;
  2. Anarchy Outdoors Titanium bolt shroud;
  3. MAGPUL MOE+ PRS Stock
  4. MAGPUL Pistol Grip (I that on my home built AR-15;
  5. Catalyst Arms Mag release Extension;
  6. Anarchy Heat Treated firing pin;
  7. Catalyst Arms Fast track Hand guard Allows me to slide the bipod back and forth;
  8. Anarchy Scope base with bubble level;
  9. Catalyst Arms Enhanced Bolt knob.



Which of these are "worth it" and which are rubbish? Of course, I'm going to go with a Timiney 2 stage trigger group as well as the Catalyst Arms Enhanced bolt knob....


And a month after I acquire the RPR, I'll go for the optic- I've seen both a Leupold and a Vortex in the $900.00 range that looks pretty good.



Thanks

Caleb 04-12-2021 11:02 AM

Congratulations. It’s your rifle so you can trick it out however you want. But, I see no need to swap out the stock as the one it comes with will do everything you want it to do. The pistol grip is ok but I prefer a more vertical style for precision shooting. Bolt knob is a “want”, not needed to be swapped out. The factory trigger is ok but the Timney will be 10 times better. Look at Athlon scopes... really good bang for your buck. I have a Vortex $900 scope on the 308 and an Athlon $400 on the 6.5cm. Honestly, the Athlon out performs the Vortex in my opinion.


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BlackKnight 04-12-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174203)
Congratulations. It’s your rifle so you can trick it out however you want. But, I see no need to swap out the stock as the one it comes with will do everything you want it to do. The pistol grip is ok but I prefer a more vertical style for precision shooting. Bolt knob is a “want”, not needed to be swapped out. The factory trigger is ok but the Timney will be 10 times better. Look at Athlon scopes... really good bang for your buck. I have a Vortex $900 scope on the 308 and an Athlon $400 on the 6.5cm. Honestly, the Athlon out performs the Vortex in my opinion.


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I agree. I would leave the stock as is.
I have a Timmney single stage trigger I installed it on my Remy 700. It’s set at about 3lbs. Love it.
I also lean towards Leupold, but that’s because all my training including sniper school was on a Leupold. There are good as or better out there. I’m just not experienced enough with them. So I go with what I’m comfortable.

Now, you blokes got me thinking about adding a 6.5 to my collection. Sigh! More money!


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Caleb 04-13-2021 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackKnight (Post 174204)
I agree. I would leave the stock as is.
I have a Timmney single stage trigger I installed it on my Remy 700. It’s set at about 3lbs. Love it.
I also lean towards Leupold, but that’s because all my training including sniper school was on a Leupold. There are good as or better out there. I’m just not experienced enough with them. So I go with what I’m comfortable.

Now, you blokes got me thinking about adding a 6.5 to my collection. Sigh! More money!


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Meh, it’s just a 223 that can hit MOA (with the right equipment on and off the gun) at 1200yds. Who wants that in their arsenal? [emoji2957]


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BlackKnight 04-13-2021 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174205)
Meh, it’s just a 223 that can hit MOA (with the right equipment on and off the gun) at 1200yds. Who wants that in their arsenal? [emoji2957]


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Well, it’s either that or a .338 Lapua. Always liked that round. But the 6.5 would be cheaper.


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Caleb 04-13-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackKnight (Post 174206)
Well, it’s either that or a .338 Lapua. Always liked that round. But the 6.5 would be cheaper.


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A whole lot cheaper!!!!!


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FfNJGTFO 05-06-2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb (Post 174203)
Congratulations. It’s your rifle so you can trick it out however you want. But, I see no need to swap out the stock as the one it comes with will do everything you want it to do. The pistol grip is ok but I prefer a more vertical style for precision shooting. Bolt knob is a “want”, not needed to be swapped out. The factory trigger is ok but the Timney will be 10 times better. Look at Athlon scopes... really good bang for your buck. I have a Vortex $900 scope on the 308 and an Athlon $400 on the 6.5cm. Honestly, the Athlon out performs the Vortex in my opinion.


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I've decided to go with the Ruger Precision Rifle in .308. That way, my next upgrade could be to .338 Lapua Magnum. But first things first. Gotta get the RPR out to 1000yds on .308 175 grain. We'll see.


Hopefully, I should have it ordered within 1 week.

Caleb 05-06-2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FfNJGTFO (Post 174267)
I've decided to go with the Ruger Precision Rifle in .308. That way, my next upgrade could be to .338 Lapua Magnum. But first things first. Gotta get the RPR out to 1000yds on .308 175 grain. We'll see.


Hopefully, I should have it ordered within 1 week.


Awesome and good luck hitting at 1000. The furthest I could somewhat consistently hit with my 308 was 900yds with a crosswind of 10mph average. Not saying it can’t be done, just that I couldn’t with my rig.


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