Powder PSI

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by brownie

If there isn't you're likely to get a BIG surprise.

And this is a reason I asked about powder compression. Reading the boards some guys complain about using powders that require them to damn near jam the bullet in to get the desired OAL. So, as I'm reading this, I'm thinking about the PSI of packed powder. I'm sure this all has to do with burn rates in some way to max out the load.

[brownie]

Originally Posted by milkmanjoe

And this is a reason I asked about powder compression. Reading the boards some guys complain about using powders that require them to damn near jam the bullet in to get the desired OAL. So, as I'm reading this, I'm thinking about the PSI of packed powder. I'm sure this all has to do with burn rates in some way to max out the load.

I keep chambers loaded with the guns in rotation. Not having to unload sd round/s to shoot to practice, having dedicated practice guns. No need to worry about set back from constant chambering. I worry more about mucking the rim up so the extractor doesn't get a solid a purchase as it should on a new round. Making sure to load the round back in the mag [ to rechamber it ] with a clean spot on the rim, not on a gouged/deformed areas previously grabbed by the extractor

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by brownie

I keep chambers loaded with the guns in rotation. Not having to unload sd round/s to shoot to practice, having dedicated practice guns. No need to worry about set back from constant chambering. I worry more about mucking the rim up so the extractor doesn't get a solid a purchase as it should on a new round. Making sure to load the round back in the mag [ to rechamber it ] with a clean spot on the rim, not on a gouged/deformed areas previously grabbed by the extractor

I get that, Brownie....but why are fillers used when reloading?

[Riverpigusmc]

Originally Posted by milkmanjoe

I get that, Brownie....but why are fillers used when reloading?

In the case of position sensitive powders, to keep the powder in proximity to the primer to ensure uniform ignition, which it would not achieve if laying on one side of the case

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc

In the case of position sensitive powders, to keep the powder in proximity to the primer to ensure uniform ignition, which it would not achieve if laying on one side of the case

So some sort of compression or uniformity of the powder is necessary?

[brownie]

Originally Posted by milkmanjoe

So some sort of compression or uniformity of the powder is necessary?

No compression with fillers, but with some loading real powder puffs, depending on powder used, it can be so little compared to case capacity ignition is spotty and I've been told as dangerous as a double charge.

[Riverpigusmc]

Originally Posted by brownie

No compression with fillers, but with some loading real powder puffs, depending on powder used, it can be so little compared to case capacity ignition is spotty and I've been told as dangerous as a double charge.

Yep, some IMR powders are more dangerous with an undercharge than an overcharge. And some pistol powders ARE position sensitive and require filler to hold the charge in place. I wish Dave was still here, he could quote it off the top of his head as to which ones. Joe, if you got filler debris out of a batch of ammo and never got it before, likely that ammo maker was using what they could get during the shortage, and its characteristics called for a full case due to position sensitivity

[brownie]

Originally Posted by Riverpigusmc

In the case of position sensitive powders, to keep the powder in proximity to the primer to ensure uniform ignition, which it would not achieve if laying on one side of the case

^this

And I've never heard of fillers used in pistol reloading

[milkmanjoe]

Originally Posted by brownie

^this

And I've never heard of fillers used in pistol reloading

Ohhhhhh yes you have....I bitched about it on FCC when my new Springfield Black Stainless had "grit" in the chamber.....

Don't make me come out there Brownie.....

[brownie]

Originally Posted by milkmanjoe

Ohhhhhh yes you have....I bitched about it on FCC when my new Springfield Black Stainless had "grit" in the chamber.....

Don't make me come out there Brownie.....

Yup, I remember that now Joe. But how many 10's of 1000's of rounds have you fired that didn't produce that? Forget the maker of that ammo you used, but it's not the norm to add fillers to pistol cases.