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Condition Three In this condition the pistol contains a loaded magazine, the chamber is empty and the hammer is down. In order to fire the pistol, the slide must be cycled so that a cartridge is loaded into the chamber. Condition Two In this condition the pistol contains a loaded magazine, a cartridge loaded into the chamber and the hammer is down. In order to fire the pistol, the hammer must be cocked. Condition One In this condition the pistol contains a loaded magazine, a cartridge loaded in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the thumb safety is engaged. In order to fire the pistol, the thumb safety must be depressed, the grip safety depressed and the trigger pressed. This method is often called “cocked & locked.” It is the carry method most often used by police officers and armed citizens who carry a 1911 for personal defense.
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Sorry for your other question Condition 1 for any time is fine. Its actually better to leave in a said condition because the wear from springs compressing and decompressing is harder on the pistol than leaving it in one condition for long periods of time. I leave my guns in condition 2 at all times. I practice drawing and putting down hammer. Just the way I like to do it. Condition 1 is ideal for carrying the gun for sure.
If I am wrong on the long term in a condition please correct me. This is what I was taught by our master armorer.
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All my 1911 are safe queens. To be taken out on occasion, played with, cleaned, lubricated, and put away until next time.
To that end, before we were all issued a standard firearm, I sued to carry daily a 1911. I kept it in condition one, sometimes for extended periods of time before I had a chance to shoot them. Never had an issue. Of course, that doesn't mean I didn't inspect them on a regular basis to make sure everything was functioning properly.
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Yep I did say one thing and do another, but I just choose to carry in 2. Not saying its better. My opinion is if I am carrying a gun, how many times am I really going to pull the hammer back? Probably never? So not having the hammer cocked keeps the spring from being under pressure while not in use, so condition 2 has all its components in a resting state as if it were unloaded and in a safe. I think in the end we are over thinking all of this. Springs are pretty cheap and a maintenance part in the end so I believe a person should carry the gun heck use the gun any way he feels comfortable with and not worry about a spring he may have to replace in 4,000 rounds instead of 6,000 rounds. Again just my opinion I am by no means an expert. AND I am not most people but yest most carry in 1.
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![]() I'm seeking info regarding leaving it permanently Cocked and Locked, going C&L into safe, and coming out C&L ready for whatever goes bump in the night. I just want to know there's no way that hammer can fall onto the firing pin and discharge the weapon when left C&L for extended periods of time. That's all really. I agree about maintenance and parts, it's all part of of owning a mechanical device (like a car) that needs inspection and attention from time to time. Thank you again for contributing to this thread.
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Condition 2 has a significant potential for ND on a pistol without a decocker (there is a reason they make decockers...). I personally have had three instances of my thumb slipping off of a hammer or cocking piece while lowering it on a loaded chamber. Muzzle was pointed in a safe direction all three times.
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OH sorry I misunderstood the question. No harm will come to the firearm for sitting in condition 1 for a long period of time. If you are worried about it firing due to some crazy event in safe or in a nightstand I doubt this will happen if your gun is properly maintained. The palm safety makes it almost impossible to fire if its working properly, not to mention the thumb safety should be used as well, so it would have to fail on two levels and have the trigger pulled for it to potentially fire on a shelf. Never say never but doubt you would ever have an issue with a 1911, or a ![]() Hope this is a more clear answer Quote:
YES! You are very correct. BUT 1911's have a 1/2 cock for a reason I know this only works when cocking the pistol and not decocking but never tried that either. You still have to be safe and practice any skill and stuff does still happen.
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Let me just say we have lots of great conversations on here and this one is a good one too. Lots of great thoughts coming from folks with great opinions and experiences. This is great, another forum I(we) used to belong to would have had this topic it would have already ended in somebody getting a short ban and people getting pissed at everyone else.
COTEP is the best.
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